I have just got an order from Greenweld of surplus. Included are 20 dispalys. Thet consist of some circuitry, an 8 figure 7 seg display and 3 leds. On the bach there is one group of 4 pins, 2 of 2 pins and a lone pin. The device is the Rohm 257D and the surface mount chip on the back is labeled: SED5031Moa F02 513 JAPAN Any details of this device would be great - it looks like an excellent PIC display to me! Tim My web pages are at http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tim.kerby/ My PIC site is at http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tim.kerby/pic/ It needs your projects!