I'm certainly not going to reply to the message and quote the original! Thanks very much for this and for helping in the past too. The information is really useful. The pseudo random system you sent me earlier is also working with only one modification - as the device will be reset quite often the timer value is used as a seed which is called checking the POR bit (resets in the product are POR) so seeding only happens once. This gives great results. Thanks again Tim My web pages are at http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tim.kerby/ My PIC site is at http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tim.kerby/pic/ It needs your projects!