Hello PICLIST My suggestion to solve this problem would be to use an ultrasonic transducer, or preferably 2, pointed at an angle to the road, and together with a pair of ultrasonic receivers utilize the Doppler-effect. If it is made as a bridge, it should be possible to get a signal for even very small movements. The alternative would be a gyroscope, but then we are talking money - mucho money!. At 12.25 10-01-1997 PST, you wrote: >How could you detect (for computer input) lateral movement from within > an object when no contact can be made with the ground and there are no > obstacles around to bounce a signal off of. > >For example: How would you detect that the rear end of a car has > started to slide sideways (on ice) ? The front wheels are still > pointed forward (you have not started to turn the wheel to > compensate). There are no walls around to bounce a signal off of. > Assume you have your breaks locked up and therefore cannot use > comparison of wheel velocities. Assume also, that you cannot attach > any sensors to the ground, wheels or be manually activated. Remember > that most movement sensors would not be able to tell the difference > between laterally sliding on ice and a sharp turn. An optical sensor > would detect ice but not that your sliding on it. > >How would you do it?? > >Gene > > Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Poul Bundgaard Phone +45 86 65 13 92 Pr¾stev¾nget 4 Fax +45 86 65 13 92 R¿dding Mobil DK-8830 Tjele Denmark E-mail: p_bundgaard@vip.cybercity.dk