> >For example: How would you detect that the rear end of a car has > > started to slide sideways (on ice) ? The front wheels are still > > pointed forward (you have not started to turn the wheel to > > compensate). There are no walls around to bounce a signal off of. > > Assume you have your breaks locked up and therefore cannot use > > comparison of wheel velocities. Assume also, that you cannot attach > > any sensors to the ground, wheels or be manually activated. Remember > > that most movement sensors would not be able to tell the difference > > between laterally sliding on ice and a sharp turn. An optical sensor > > would detect ice but not that your sliding on it. > > > >How would you do it?? > > > >Gene I think that the radial velocity as a vehicle goes around any turn is zero. (as if there were a string from the vehicle to the center point of the turn) A microwave doppler radar could be used to detect radial (side looking) velocity. The radar would see through the ice and still work fine. Have Fun, Brooke brooke@pacific.net