David, The best site on the net for Mac PIC Programmers is http://members.aol.com/fdeck/main.html. He has a HyperCard stack which serves as the compiler and front-end to the programmer. Included is a circuit for the programmer and a serial connection to the Mac. The directions are excellent. The warnings should be heeded lest you "blow-up" your computer. A PCB, parts, and preprogrammed PIC are available from MacSciTech. You might try contacting the author directly for a preprogrammed PIC. He is a nice guy! As regards Ben Wirz comments on damage to his Commodore-64 at age 13, I have blown the RS485 on a Mac with a major brand modem that sent a power surge into the serial port on power-up. It manifest as "rebooting" the computer prior to actually blowing the chip. Fortunately, most Macs are equipped with two serial ports, so the computer was not rendered completely useless. The point of my story is that even supposedly well engineered and well built commercial products can kill your computer, though it is less likely that a commercial product will damage your computer than a home-built peripheral. Consider building your programmer with optoisolated inputs. For info on RS485 optoisolators see http://www.bb-elec.com/welcome.html for a complete rundown on serial connectors/protocols and optoisolator circuits. You might build a serial port optoisolator as your first project and use it for all subsequent projects. Good insurance! The other consideration is using an old MacPlus or SE for your projects. They run HyperCard with adequate speed, and if damaged are less expensive to replace than Mom & Dad's new PowerPC. Another alternative is to find an old PC-DOS machine and use that as your programmer with David Tait's parallel port PIC programmer. Old PCs can be found at garage sales and Goodwill/Salvation Army stores for about $30 complete with monitor. One advantage to having an old DOS machine on hand is that there are freeware DOS PCB design and router programs available on the net. Several companies have posted their DOS products as freeware after marketing Windows based packages. My sense is that hacking hardware and software is much easier on old DOS machines than it is on the latest Windows and Macs. There is a lot less OS garbage to get between you and your chip! Keep up the good work!