Three more topics regarding my PIC project may be of interest to others. This was my first solo project of this type, so it all came with a learning curve. PCB and schematic layout software: Believe it or not, I used Microsoft Word &.0 for all my PCB and schematic layouts. I had it, I knew how to use it, it has a nice drawing subsystem, works with all printers and I could easily include the art in my manual. I also figured that many others would have this software, and could view and edit as an example. You can draw lines, boxes, and cirlces with lots or widths and fills. You can also include very readable text (not line-art text), although I could only make it in the one orientation. Next time I will probably use an actual PCB software, to try something new and to get Gerber output. Board production: After designing the MSWord board layout, I called several local PCB manufacturing houses. My boards were 2"x2", single-sided, with about 100 holes in two different sizes. I found a place that would build me 100 boards, silk-screened and solder masked for $250 in 3 weeks. I printed my artwork double sized, had photo-reduced transparencies made, and the board shop did the rest. In-circuit programming: My product did not use RB6 or RB7, so my prototype had these two pins connected to my programmer. As for MCLR, the Tait programmer would switch it between 0 and 12 volts for programming, but in order to run the circuit, I needed 5 volts, so I wired in a switch to go between the programmer's MCLR (0 and 12) and Vcc (5). I had to throw the switch before and after each programming. If I had it to do over again, I would modify my programmer slightly to make it more AN589 like to have the computer switch the programming voltages in and out. Byon ______________________________________ Byon Garrabrant N6BG byon@netcom.com