In reply to the silly replies to agostino: Perhaps the guy has a genuine interest in PIC code protection (as I do), or perhaps he doesent. In any event I subscribe to the PIC list to LEARN. I write code for PICS but when anyone mentions code protection then people on the list go paranoid. I dont really care if someone copies my code, I only set the code protection fuses because they are there. I believe the true art is not in writing the code - but in creating a product that can be taken to market and generate plenty profit. If someone copies my code then good luck to them. Now flame me to death! In reply to agostino: Yes and No. It depends on how much money you are prepared to pay in order to utilise the facilities that you may require in order to crack the code in the chip. For example to extract the code from a 16C84 is a piece of cake. A homebuilt PIC programer can be modded to read the protected code, or look at souces for the UK satelite pirate cards. There are many devices one can purchase very cheaply to defeat the code protection on this device. Therefor a home 'hacker' could extract the code. The 16C57 is a different story. I do not believe it is possible to extract the code from the device when the code protection fuse is set using similar methods to the 16C84 (Because the physics of the devices are different). More costly and specialised methods must therefore be used. Having just said this however, recent software methods may be applicable to an attack on these devices. I suggest you monitor the newsgroup alt.2600.moderated for a few months. You should get some ideas that will point you in the correct direction. Rgds Paul Wright -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- pauly@global.co.za