Hi: Some comments about patents: (1) I worked for a company that had microwave ferrites in it's product line. The basic ferrite idea was patented by someone else. We kept track of who the end user was, and if the end user was the U.S. government, we did not have to pay any fees. I knew an engineer at another company that did a lot of government contract work who had a binder full of patents that he would use for jobs that were to be sold to the government. (2) Heathkit and EICO sold oscilloscope kits that were based on a patented technology. IMHO they could do this because the end user was an individual. Anyone can use a patented technology for their own personal use. As Don Lancaster says, for a patent holder to go to court and enforce his patent is very costly. I read somewhere that many companies located along the Mississippi river mainly because that patent court district NEVER found for the patent holder. (3)The Sunnyvale patent library files their patents by CLASS number rather than the patent number (which is random in relation to anything). This allows doing research easily, since all patents on a given topic are physically next to each other. This is a great way to learn about a subject because very basic ideas are contained in the "claims" section that do not show up in text books. Some of the questions on the piclist are canidates for patent searches if the end user is the questioner or the U.S. government. Have Fun, Brooke