Don't forget the 750-millivolt thermocouples found on gas water heaters and furnaces. They deliver power for decades as long as the flame from the pilot light hits the thermocouple. If one had four or five thermocouples in series, there would be enough voltage to run a PIC and other low-current logic circuits. I don't know the current generated by such a thermocouple, but older gas furnaces did use them to generate the control voltage that went through the thermostat to open the solenoid valve and turn on the main burners. If the gas went off or a draft through the vent sucked out the pilot flame, another little valve lost power and closed to prevent gas from escaping when the pilot was not lit. While this was a very inefficient way to generate electric power, it was a case of making good use of what was already there and that is almost as good as getting something for free. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK 36.7N97.4W OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Data Communications Group