"AW" = Andrew Warren "JM" = James Musselman AW > 4. There's nothing wrong with adjusting your rate in proportion AW > to the product's value to the client. I have three rates, for AW > example, for software development: JM > What happens when the "high rate" client finds out about the JM > other rates? James: It's easy to miss subtle nuances in e-mail, so rather than getting upset by what I (probably mistakenly) see as an implication that I'm gouging certain clients, let me clarify: 1. I don't have high-rate "CLIENTS"; I have high-rate PRODUCTS. If a client wants to build and sell a million electronic gadgets, each of which contains my software, I charge him a certain rate for that work. If he then discovers that he needs some software for a test-fixture in his factory, I'll often charge him a different rate. 2. My pricing structure is no secret; most of my clients are aware of it. As I said, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG with having a different rate for different products. AW > My standard contract guarantees free software bug-fixes AW > forever, for instance. Lots of people tell me this is stupid, AW > but I don't mind... I think the guarantee's important, and AW > besides, it doesn't get used very often. JM > It sounds like you don't write very complex programs, or maybe JM > you are the first programmer to achieve perfection, or how do JM > you define a bug? Do you work for companies that never change JM > their minds? Sigh... Again, I'll assume that I'm reading too much into your questions, so I'll just take them at face value. From paragraph 5c of my contract, which relates to the "free bug-fixes forever" warranty: i. Definition. A "defect", for the purposes of this provision, is any element of the Product which does not substantially comply with the specifications referenced in Paragraph 1. Clients change their minds ALL THE TIME; changes to the spec, however, are not bugs. As for your "you don't write very complex programs, or maybe you are the first programmer to achieve perfection" comment... When's the last time you found a software bug in your VCR, your car's ignition controller, etc.? As one of the more-clever software-tools companies once said in their print ads, "40 million VCRs can't be wrong". I closed my last message with a long description of the difference between a garage-built "program" and a professional "program product"; the difference between them, and the largest reason for the cost difference between them, is the TESTING. AW > When you build a REAL product for a REAL company, however, AW > thingsare different... You'll need to have Gerber files, AW > drill tapes, silkscreens, assembly drawings, etc.; your code AW > will probably have to be written to a higher standard; you'll AW > need to find REAL sources (and maybe second sources) for all AW > the parts; etc. JM > You're very optimistic about most companies being so capable!! You're right; they're often NOT capable of doing all that... Which is why they hire me. -Andy === Andrew Warren - fastfwd@ix.netcom.com === === Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California === === === === Custodian of the PICLIST Fund -- For more info, see: === === http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499/fund.html ===