On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Ed Maste wrote: > In article <32A85C12.10AE@whidbey.com>, > Paul Mathews wrote: > > >I don't hesitate to design without transformer isolation. Many of my > >products use series capacitor power supplies, and any mention of this > >always brings out dozens of responses of the "You're crazy if you don't > >use a transformer!" variety. I take comfort in the simple fact that the > >vast majority of electrical products in the world don't use a > >transformer. However, it is too true that knowledge and care are > >essential. Electricity can kill. I use isolation transformers, battery > >operated scopes, differential probes, etc. Take care. > > Could you start me off on the practical design of a series capacitor supply? > I've got a 2 channel sequencer using a 16C84 which uses a resistor-zener > supply from the 120V, 120V through a resistor for zero crossing and two > triacs driven directly from PIC pins. However, the current required by > PIC and triac drive means that the resistor has to be low enough that it > gets somewhat warm. I can see the idea of using a capacitor there but > don't know where to start in terms of cap. value or type etc. > > Thanks. > Just some thougths: type: The capacitor should at least be built for the AC-voltage you are using. Important: The value for the maximum voltage for the capacitor ('Spannungsfestigkeit') has to be for 'AC' ! I think such capacitors are called 'Mains Voltage Capacitors' (Netzspannungskondensatoren). value: Let's say the maximum average current of your circuit is Iav . The capacitor has to supply your circuit in one half-wave --> IC_average = 2*Iav. now the average Voltage of the capacitor during loading your circuit : UC_average = ( sqrt(2) * 120 / pi ) - U_Zener (Hope that's right, haven't any reference handy now) and with Q=U*C=I*t --> C = I*t/U = IC_average * 1/(2*f) / UC_average Another thing: IMHO you should use a X-capacitor ('Schaltfester Netspannungs-Kondensator') Oh where's my english dictionary right now ???? :-( A X-capacitor is a capacitor which works with MAINS-voltage and you can short-circuit (also if fully loaded) without damaging it. If you use a 'normal' main-voltage capacitor then you should use a small series resistor (say 220 Ohm --> Imax = sqrt(2)*120 / 220 = 0.8 A) for protecting the capacitor. One addition: Because of the capacitor you get a phase shift between the AC-voltage and your load-current pulses , so your zero-detect circuit has to be connected directly with a resistor to the AC-voltage. bernhard. PS.: Hope all is correct and you can understand it ! For those words I wasn't sure about I wrote the german translation :-) Bernhard Schweighofer alias schweigi@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at (Student at Graz University of Technology, Austria)