At 01:16 PM 12/3/96 +0200, you wrote: >I need the hardware ( schematics ) and software to program these things. Can >someone help me please ? will the one for the c84 work ? programmer hardware will, if it guarantees >= 12VPP prog voltage. PIC16C84 programming software will not. Algorithms are different. there are many programs that program C71 with and C84 programmer hardware You can build ProPic and use software from TATO computers, or you can build any DIY programmer and use our PIP02 software. antti -- Silicon Studio Ltd. -- http://www.sistudio.com