Is the Piclist down?? I have not gotten any mail in quite a while. In case it is not down, I guees I sould bring up a good topic.. Has anyone started using the new 8 pin devices?? I have a Needhams programer and have yet to see a software update to support it, so I am looking for alternatives. I have 2 of the windowed 8 pin dips and would love to start playing with them. Anyone have a cheep programmer that supports them yet? Giles L. Honeycutt