Please don't yell at me for this, but I have an idea. I use a software package called "Tango PCB" to do PCB designs outputting Gerber photoplot and Excellon drill files. If there is someone on the List who would like to build something for fun, but finds the PCB Design to be a stumbling block, I would like to offer to do the layout for you with the follow previsions: 1) the board artwork is public domain. (You don't intend to market it. You just want one working copy of _your_ design.) 2) I ask for no money for this, but I will request that you order one extra board and send it to me (so I can hang it on my wall with the name of the PCB manufacturer as an example of "their" work). I have no intention of building _your_ circuit. But, I could if I wanted to. Along with anyone else on the List because the PCB artwork is Public Domain. The software you write for the PIC controller, however, is not. And, if you want to sell something, sell that. It's your secret. 3) I do this in the spirit of community. Don't pressure me with deadlines. 4) If you are not familiar with PCB specification, I will fill in the gaps. -- Hank ====================================================================== Hank Gupton | Phone: 1-602-846-9320 Fax: 1-602-846-9603 6944 West Denton Lane | E-mail: gupton@starlink.com Glendale, AZ, USA | HomePage: 85303-5808 | Friends don't let friends join AOL. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it. * Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty. * We are Microsoft of Borg, your application WILL be assimilated. * Often statistics are used as a drunken man uses lampposts, for support rather than illumination. On the average, a person has one testicle.