myke predko wrote: > > >By the way, what PCB package do you use, and have you seen WinBoard and > > WinDraft? I talked with this company and you can get a 100 pad > >vertion via the internet, and upgrade the pads by paying them (cheap). I've used WinBoard for 3 designs, mostly in the neighborhood of 180 pins SMT. I had some problems early on that were fixed with the installation of a newer driver for my PCI display adapter.....obviously not Ivex's fault. I use the $29.95 version that gets you 220 pin limit. The big issue with any board layout software is: How much work do you have to do to get the library in shape for your work? WinBoard comes with a fairly big library of modules, but most of them are for through hole parts. Many of the SMT modules use pad geometries that don't match up with the design rules preferred by my clients. So, I found myself modifying or creating most needed modules in the early going. Fortunately, their module creation stuff is easy to use. Ivex documentation is pretty good. It's helpful to print it out in color (at this price, you print it out yourself). My main complaint is that you need to refer to 3 books to get the whole picture: Getting Started, Tutorial, and Reference. The WinDraft and WinBoard combination is amazing value. -- Paul Mathews, consulting engineer AEngineering Co. optoeng@whidbey.com non-contact sensing and optoelectronics specialists