To put this in a more positive tone. I encourage anyone who wishes to to have a PIC newsgroup (which I think would be a good thing) to go through the 'call for votes' process and create comp.sys.pic, comp.sources.pic, comp.binaries.pic and perhaps comp.sys.pic-announce. Once this individual has gone through this 3 - 4 month process, create the news groups and start discussing away. If the traffic on the pic news groups becomes "better" than the traffic here, people will move, it if doesn't, they won't. This isn't an "either/or" proposition. Create the newsgroup, give the newsies a place to hang out. The PICLIST isn't threatened, and who knows perhaps there will be some value there. --Chuck