> Sorry I left out a key word in my drowsiness. Programmer. I need the device to > program the chip. I can buy PIC16C84's for $6.50 each but I saw some > programming units going for $3000. I have since started building one from the > directions provided by Microchip. The article is on their web site, article > an589. I estimate the cost of this project under $10. Thank you to all those > that recommended it. What extra functionality am I missing out by not having > the expensive programmer? Expensive programmers generally have the following advantages over cheap ones: [1] Full conformance to Microchip specifications, including the use of a variable VDD supply. Not too much of an issue for the '84, but very much an issue with UV-eraseable parts, especially if they'll be used in low-voltage applications. [2] Nicer construction, typically; ZIF sockets. [3] Ability to program a variety of parts (incl. 16C5x parts and EEPROMs) [4] In some cases, easier ability to swap chips (e.g. not having to unplug power first). [5] In some cases, the ability to program multiple chips simultaneously. [6] In some cases, the ability to detect conditions such as incorrectly- inserted chips without damaging the chip in question. [7] In some cases, easier upgrades when new chips come out (in other cases, much harder upgrades--why do people have to put so much #&$#$* "intel- ligence" into those things?