Needham Electronics EMP20, although a little more expensive then your average PIC programmer does handle these devices and a few others. Check out www.needhams.com. Peter Shoebridge ---------- From: Carl Connett Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 1996 9:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list PICLIST Subject: Want programmer I've seen a lot of talk about programmers, but not much related to the 16C620, 621, and 622. I'm looking for a programmer that will handle those, and it would be great if it would handle the other series as well. If you are selling one, or a kit, or a used one, please email me with details and prices. Also, I'm looking for examples of how to use the above PICs for battery charging, and voltage level checking. Carl Connett carlc@outreach.mhs.compuserve.com Attachment converted: wonderlandfive:WINMAIL.DAT (????/----) (00003272)