Does anyone know where I could get copies of the Pads-PBC layout and Pads-Logic schematic capture full blown reference manuals? These are the ones referred to in the tutorial-style manuals that come with the shareware files that can be downloaded from several sites on the net and are approximately 3 to 4 hundred pages each. I am quit willing to pay reasonable copying, shipping and handling costs. A call to Pads Software, Inc. reveals that when the shareware was last being supported (approx. 4 years ago), if someone asked for the "full blown" reference manuals but didn't want to buy the full commercial version of the software, they charged $500!!! In any case, they no longer supply the manuals at any price and were not helpful in suggesting who might have a copy. Thanks, --- Warren F. Davis ================================================ Davis Associates, Inc. 43 Holden Road West Newton, MA 02165 U.S.A. Tel: 617-244-1450 FAX: 617-964-4917 Visit our web site at: http://www.davis-inc.com ================================================