Hi John, In the datasheets, look for "Typical RC Oscillator Frequency vs. Vdd" Graphs. Each PIC should have 3 or so of them (at least they do in the 1995 databook and PIC16C8X datasheet I downloaded from the Web Site) plotting the frequency for different Rs and Cs as well as operating voltages. As you've stated in your note, you're comfortable +/- 50% which is about what I found that they are capable in terms of accuracy (I have typically found them to be about 30% accurate). This means that the RC oscillator can't be used for anything that even requires moderate accuracy. Myke >I have an application that has no need for accuracy (+-50% would be fine, >but isn't needed :-), so I'd like to use the RC oscillator. I don't have a >prototype to check empirically, and the manuals say "see the device >characterization sheets," which I can find neither in the manuals nor on the >web site. > >How do I find the values without hardware to solder and test? > > >john perry >jperry@norfolk.infi.net > > Do you ever feel like an XT Clone caught in the Pentium Pro Zone?