Hi Jim
        out of interest (mainly), do you know the H/W differences between
the 16B and the 16C PicStart programmers? Microchip do seem to have a
confusing range of programming devices. Since the PicStart 16C kit includes
an EPROM 16C<can't remember>, I was toying with the idea of working out the
cct, blowing a new PIC, and using that. Partly as an exercise, and partly
because the PicStart is a nicer bit of H/W than the cheap & cheerful
thing I'm knocking up at the moment...

        cheers
        jon N