Bob Blick wrote:
>
> This whole security thing is getting a little spidery, can someone fill me
> in on all the details at once? I have some specific questions, too:
>
> Am I correct in assuming a code-protected 16c84 can be read using a modified
> programmer and some software gotten from an ftp site that caters to pe0PL<
> Wh0 spEL funny?
>
> Am I also correct in assuming that the software only works on one of the
> homemade type of programmers, ie the AN589 or the David Tait programmer?
> If this is the case it means I'm going to try it out for myself, because all
> this vague talk going around doesn't inspire confidence or keep things
> secret, the cat's out of the bag and there's no putting it back. I hadn't
> heard about it before last week, but by now anyone really interested in
> ripping off code has heard about it and probably found the tools to do it
> with, if it is actually possible. They've certainly gotten what I got,
> because I only spent 5 minutes with one of the search engines and turned up
> something that seems likely.
>
> I downloaded a program that promises to be a pic buster and I guess I'll try
> to figure out what programmer it runs on and build one, and I'll see if it
> works. If anyone has already done this and wishes to share their findings,
> please do so and save me the trouble, because mostly what I want to know is
> the truth about the 16c84 from SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY HAS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE.
> If this thing does not work, I think we can all breathe easier, because a
> fake pic buster may actually enhance the security of the 16c84(especially if
> it ruins the chip). Hmmm, maybe I'd better not try it :-)




    This could have been written by me. I am at the same stage.I have no
time to get any further yet.
So maybe this would be a good time to warn everybody suffering
from chronic paranoia to stock up on tranquillisers.
As soon as I(and a couple of thousand people like me)have the
time I/we will spend our every waking minute extracting the code from
your chip

To the people who don't spend their time looking over their shoulders
and biting their nails, I have reverse engineered thousands of products.
But not to copy them and take the bread from your childrens' mouths.
Mostly to repair them (in almost all cases without any help from the
manufacturers), other times for my own curiosity/knowledge but never
to manufacture copies (I don't want to be second best).

I defy all the paranoid people to tell me they have NEVER reverse
engineered some one else's product just to see how it's done !!.
I will tell you that I have NEVER manufactured someone else's
product.
By manufacture I do not include making a copy for my own use
to modify/improve. Having bought the product once this would not
financially affect anyone.

What is the purpose of the list if not educational? Now who is going
to decide what we should not learn?
Maybe we should look at advertising on the list before deciding what
pic info we should not give to the list?

  So lets have the picbust info PLEASE
--
Peter Cousens
email: peter@cousens.her.forthnet.gr
snailmail: Peter Cousens, Karteros, Heraklion, Crete, 75100, Greece,