Papageorgiou Spiros wrote: > Is it possible to program the new 16f84 with my picstart16b1? > Although it's the same chip (almost) it has flash instead of > EEPROM. Papageorgiou: The 16F84 does NOT use flash... It's EEPROM, just like all the other '8xs. Microchip's laughable explanation for the "F" is [I'm paraphrasing, but as accurately as I can], "The word 'flash' has become a generic term for electrically-erasable memory, so we're using it to describe our EEPROM parts." None of MY friends use the word "flash" that way... Guess we're just old-fashioned, huh? Oh, well... The answer to your question is: If your programmer will program 16C84s, it'll also program 16F84s. -Andy Andrew Warren - fastfwd@ix.netcom.com Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499