Philip, I use PSPICE and with an easy to use (for the most part ) schematic capture program that is in Windows I get PCB layout and simulation at the same time. Best of all, if you do small stuff, it's completely free. I happen to be lucky at the moment and have access to the $9k version, too. 8-) eval v6.3 is out now, anybody got it? ...worth the trouble from v6.2? Mike ---------- From: Philip Lalone To: Multiple recipients of list PICLIST Subject: Drawing Schematics Date: Monday, September 09, 1996 11:06AM What do you people use for drawing schematics? I don't want simulating circuit design software, just something simple, free, and preferably for Windows that can produce images and has a library of basic and customizable parts. Thanks, Philip Lalone Alpha-X Development