Hello friends, currently i'm entering the wonderful world of PIC. For the beginning, i just want to start with a simple '84 programmer and a proto-board. Now ZIF sockets for 18 pins are very difficult to get and they are very expensive. So i want to use a in circuit programmer using the serial mode. From the archive i got some advices, to disable the oscillator (in my case a 4Mhz crystal) and to set a resitor between Vdd and Vpp. Now to the difficult part: To aviod an additional power supply i want to use the design of a RS232-attached programmer. Has someone experience with this design and in circuit programming? Thanks in advance. Gerrit -- Dipl.-Ing. Gerrit Gehnen gehnen@hni.uni-paderborn.de Heinz Nixdorf Institut Rechnerintegrierte Produktion Uni-GH Paderborn Tel. +49/5251/60-6262 Fax. +49/5251/60-6268 ...und das war's auch schon