I ftp'd to ftp.futureone.com (their WEB site) and went to pub/download/mplab and got it. I am not seeing mplab309 in the mplab directory of mchipbbs.microchip.com wether I log in as anonymous or my registered name. ********************************************************** *Mike DeMetz SYSCON International * *miked@syscon-intl.com South Bend, IN USA * *aka 73165.1230@compuserve.com using Pegasus Mail * **********************************************************