Dennis, With a few well place diodes you should not have any trouble with doing an in circuit programming. You may want to make sure that your oscillator is off while programming. I had trouble with it incrementing the program locations. So instead of starting a 0x0000, the program would load randomly from 0x0001 to 0x0010. Once I disabled the oscillator, everything worked great. I think that you should still be able to use your picstart. If you can't, you could always build David Taite's programmer. Good luck. Yours, -- Derrick Early early@finite.nrl.navy.mil