With regards to programmers, it would be nice to be able to use my current programmer, (a PicStart 16C of some form :) under UNIX. It seems a real shame to have to fight to get to a PC with all the programming stuff around, when we've got literally loads of Sun's around, which I can attempt to develop on with the GNUPIC tools :) So to that end, can anyone out there provide a copy of the protocol used to talk to the PicStart boxes, or is it shrouded in secrecy. Cheers, Glyn D -- Glyn D / http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~daviess / Computer Science 3rd year ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Whom computers must destroy, they must first drive mad." -- fortune "What if everyone felt like that?" -- Catch 22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------