pmdl> So the programmer would probably consist of a UART, a MAX232, and a pmdl> programmed pmdl> 16C84. A DB9 or 10 pin dual header would connect the target to the No need for this. You can program a 16C84 with a Max232 and two inverters. Even only with a Max232, but this is triky. This works with every RS232, not just with PC-Ports. I've used this on my machine independant Pic programmer. After programming, the 16C84 takes controll over the serial communication and can program other PIC's, EEPROM, Flash, etc. Gruss Erik ___ Terminate 1.51