Recently I found a site with a collection of home-brew PIC programmers and tools, many involving the use of the pip-02 software for programming. The file was called "picstuff.zip" but I am unable to relocate it. Can anyone point me in the right direction??? Thanks, John Safrit PS Has anyone had any luck with the COM84 serial port PIC programmer??? +<><><><><><><><><><><><><>+<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>+ | John L. Safrit, Jr. | -- Make lots of money \ | | Hardware Design Engineer | -- Enjoy the work >> Choose 2 | | (804) 978-5769 | -- Operate within the law / | +< john.safrit@cho.ge.com >+<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>+