>All the SMD pics in the (Farnell) catalog are 4MHz devices You don't say which PIC you are using, but they all come in some SMD version in all speed grades. Some parts have 10 MHz & 20 MHz and others only 20 MHz. Package is dependent on PIC size - smaller ones in SOIC or SSOP, larger ones in PQFP or PLCC. John Magrane FAE Bell Industries (408) 734-8570 72172.2347@compuserve.com