I have got mostly negative reactions to the newsgroup idea, in the sense that about 4-5 people wrote saying that they don't want change, and 2 people wrote that they aren't enthusiastic but wouldn't mind. No definite positives; the people have spoken and the change seems to be an idea whose time is not here (yet?). BTW, there is already some PIC traffic on comp.arch.embedded, a newsgroup dealing with embedded micros (mostly 8051 and 6811). przemek klosowski (przemek@nist.gov) Reactor Division (bldg. 235), E111 National Institute of Standards and Technology Gaithersburg, MD 20899, USA (301) 975 6249