>I tried 2.2 Kohms and a parallel cap 100 nF but didn't work. >The only way I got it working on two diferent PCs was with 4.7 Kohms. Yes, the input impedance of DTR varies on different PC's. >Any idea to leave VCC on all the time and be able to Read/Verify ? Yes. This is the schematic for my PIC16C84 Module (without oscillator circuit). Programming can be done in circuit, if RB6/7 aren't connected to any high load. Otherwise I'm removing the module for programming. Supply voltage must be turned on, if the connected circuitry draws power from Vdd. The 2k2 / 4k7 between DTR and RTS is placed inside the SUB-D case, therefore removing the programming connector removes the load and RB6/7 will be free for use. TxD --------------------------*---------------------I I I --- I I I 2k2 I I-------I I I I +6.5 *-I 78L05 I-----I --- I I I-------I I I --- I I I --- I I 10k I I I \ / I I I100n I I --- 47k --- --- I I I -- I _____ --- I *---------*----------*--I I----*-------------- Reset I I I I I -- I I-----* I + /--- I I I --- / / \ 5V6 I I I --- 15u --- I I I I I I 14 I 4 I I I I--I----------I---I I I I I Vdd Vpp I I I I 5 I I GND -------*---------*---------*-------I Gnd I I I PIC 16C84 22k I I -- 12 I I RTS ---I I----------------------------I RB6 I -- I I -- 13 I I DTR ---I I---*------------------------I RB7 I -- I I I 2k2/ I I-----------------I 4k7 I CTS ----------I - Erik