Is there any indication of how much the preprogrammed PIC containing the BASIC interpreter is going to be? A few months ago Everyday & Practical Electronics (EPE) ran a couple of articles on a PIC programmer/simulator but you had to fork out somewhere around 50 quid (might even have been more) for the PIC which actually controlled the programmer. What looks like a low cost project suddenly doesn't look so attractive. I stopped buying ETI (and EPE since) when they started running so many projects which appeared to be an excuse for the designer to sell the extra software needed to actually use the device. I seem to recall seeing something similar a while back in Electronics & Wireless World with a Teletext decoder. :-( Ray. -- Computing Officer, MRC Research Centre in Brain and Behaviour, Oxford