Well. I think that I'm of of the users which use PIC 's quite offten. I'm from Czech Republic which means that I'm in europe. Actualy post comunistic country. :(((! :-) I own programer based on David Tait's programer and I own even profesional programer which is called PREPROM 2. Which has all features for all microchips and for all series of PICs and Intels and NECs and ... so on. Now I'm working on my PhD project. I'm sorry if I makes any mistakes in english but english is not my native language. Anyway you can find me on IRC quite offten under nick AyM. (AyM) PS: this is reply on mail:th topic where are you from??