> I thought I had settled on the Parallax one, but I found out that there's a > Microchip seminar coming to town (Vancouver), and that I can get the > "PICSTART development system" for $79US there. The seminar costs $99US, so > that puts my total cost at about the same as the Parallax programmer. They > tell me that the seminar is very informative (5.5 hrs), and that you get > books and _product_samples_ with the PICSTART package. That part sounds > good to me, but, as I am a beginner, I think the seminar may be way over my > head... Richard, I have a PICSTART programmer here and it works ok, and it accepts standard Intel-hex format files so it will work with all true PIC assemblers (including, of course ASPIC). I don't use it primarily due to it's lack of command line automation, but I believe it can program fuses from the INTEL HEX file, it's just that MPALC and MPASM won't let you. DEMO.ZIP gives an example of programming the fuses for any PIC from the hex file (including seting the device ID to the compile date and time). DEMO.ZIP is the complete source code (writtten in ASPIC) to my pocket logic analyzer that was a winning entry in the Picstart design contest last year. You can pick it up from my BBS (which should be local for you) at (604) 597-3479 if you want (schematics and block diagrams are available only to registered ASPIC users though). The Parallax programmer seems to require that you use their special assembler which does not compile real PIC code, but rather some sort of 80xx style pseudo-code cross compiler code which is really difficult to read if you can actually program a PIC. BOTH Picstart and the Parallax programmers use non-standard interface protocols and user-interferance screens (which is why in real life, I actually use the Microburner from Baradine in North Van.). I attended the Microchip seminar last time it was in Vancouver and it really geared towards beginners to the PIC, but I still found it interesting. The audience ranged from people who wanted to find out what a PIC is, to people like myself who have written tens of thousands of lines of PIC code. - Don This is not a TRUE internet message since the body is probably longer than the message header.