Richard Friesen prophesized: > I haven't heard from anyone who has used the PICSTART. Can someone > please give be a brief comparison of the PICSTART and the Parallax > programmers? Well, (lucky for me), I didn't have to buy two programmers to find one that did what I needed. So, I can't compare the two for you. I have been happy with Parallax' product. The one HUGE selling point, in my book, are the Parallax mnemonics which are very "8051-like". Actually they're even better than 8051 mnemonics because there are things like "CJE" to complement "CJNE" (unlike the 8051). I have yet to learn the cryptic MicroChip mneumonics which is kind of bad for me when I want to read sample code from an app note or something. Made code development a lot quicker, though. You should be able to get about the same effect with any decent macro assembler and your own time. Maybe the PICSTART package has a macro assembler (?). -- Greg Bell | "Counting SUCKS!" greg@cqt.com | -Beavis ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CommQuest Technologies, Inc. (619) 633-1618 x133