I wonder if there is a cheap way to program 17C42 chips? Microchip once sold a bare bone device (don't remember its name) to do the trick. (Kind of self programming via external EPROMS) I've seen a programmer published in ELECTOR magazine, but the circuit contradicts the programming notices for the 17C42. Are there two ways to program these beasts? What programmers do you use? Ulrich Ulrich Hoffmann, Uni Kiel WWW: http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/~uho/ Institut f. Informatik, email: uho@informatik.uni-kiel.de Preusserstr 1-9, D-24105 Kiel, Germany Tel: +49 431 560426 Fax: 566143 The only man who finished all his work by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.